LSJ: Baali Untap + Path of the Void

Path of the Void Master - Unique 1 Pool Path. Put this card on a vampire you control. This vampire gets +1 stealth, -1 bleed, and can inflict 1 damage on any minion as a (D) action. During this vampire's untap phase, his or her controller must discard a master card or tap this vampire. Burn this card if this vampire commits diablerie. A vampire can have only one path. My question is whether a Baali with Path of the Void on it can play the PotV effect first, and then pay to untap afterward - avoiding the tapping penalty if the Baali were tapped going into the turn and they didn't have a master card to discard. I believe the answer is yes, based on the rule that _all_ untap effects other than each card's normal automatic untap may be ordered as desired by the phasing player. A comment by Salem once referred to "Baali of the Name" after the Baali untap rule was revised and went unchallenged, leading me to believe he was correct that a "must tap" effect in the untap phase could be later reversed by the special Baali untap effect. This would be similar. Fred

Frederick Scott wrote: > Path of the Void > Master - Unique > 1 Pool > Path. Put this card on a vampire you control. This > vampire gets +1 stealth, -1 bleed, and can inflict > 1 damage on any minion as a (D) action. During this > vampire's untap phase, his or her controller must > discard a master card or tap this vampire. Burn > this card if this vampire commits diablerie. A > vampire can have only one path. > > My question is whether a Baali with Path of the > Void on it can play the PotV effect first, and then > pay to untap afterward - avoiding the tapping > penalty if the Baali were tapped going into the > turn and they didn't have a master card to discard. > I believe the answer is yes, based on the rule > that _all_ untap effects other than each card's > normal automatic untap may be ordered as desired > by the phasing player. A comment by Salem once > referred to "Baali of the Name" after the Baali > untap rule was revised and went unchallenged, > leading me to believe he was correct that a > "must tap" effect in the untap phase could be > later reversed by the special Baali untap effect. > This would be similar. A reading of the 'Infernal' rule in the rulebook appears to confirm your thinking: [11] Infernal An infernal minion doesn't untap as normal in the untap phase. During his controller's untap phase, she may burn a pool to untap him. Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/groups/129744447064017

On Dec 5, 4:01 pm, "Kevin M." <youw...@imaspammer.org> wrote: > Frederick Scott wrote: > > Path of the Void > > Master - Unique > > 1 Pool > > Path. Put this card on a vampire you control. This > > vampire gets +1 stealth, -1 bleed, and can inflict > > 1 damage on any minion as a (D) action. During this > > vampire's untap phase, his or her controller must > > discard a master card or tap this vampire. Burn > > this card if this vampire commits diablerie. A > > vampire can have only one path. > > > My question is whether a Baali with Path of the > > Void on it can play the PotV effect first, and then > > pay to untap afterward - avoiding the tapping > > penalty if the Baali were tapped going into the > > turn and they didn't have a master card to discard. > > I believe the answer is yes, based on the rule > > that _all_ untap effects other than each card's > > normal automatic untap may be ordered as desired > > by the phasing player.  A comment by Salem once > > referred to "Baali of the Name" after the Baali > > untap rule was revised and went unchallenged, > > leading me to believe he was correct that a > > "must tap" effect in the untap phase could be > > later reversed by the special Baali untap effect. > > This would be similar. > > A reading of the 'Infernal' rule in the rulebook appears > to confirm your thinking: > > [11] Infernal > An infernal minion doesn't untap as normal in the untap > phase. During his controller's untap phase, she may burn > a pool to untap him. Correct.