Rachel Brandywine and the Discard Phase

Here愀 a question regarding the Discard Phase and the special from Rachel. The rulebook states, that you can discard one card during your Discard Phase and draw a new one. If I were to use the Barrens and/or the Fragment of the Book Nod after the Influence Phase, i.e. during the Discard Phase, would the cards I have to discard count towards Rachels special, i.e. go into my library again ? Magnus

Magnus wrote: > > Here´s a question regarding the Discard Phase and the special from [ quoted text not captured ] Yes (card text). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

Different question: What happens to cards 'stolen' with Agaitas and discarded when you have Rachel Brandywine? Card text suggests the cards are discarded anyway (and so go to your prey's ash heap), but OTOH nothing seems to prevent you from retrieving those cards from his ash heap into your library, and that just sounds wrong. I think you need errata to 'cards discarded [to your ash heap]...' :/ Flux

[ quoted text not captured ] This may not mean much, but cards stolen by Agiatas aren't actually in your hand, they just count against your hand, and thus really not discarded from your hand.

[ quoted text not captured ] I think it's the other way around, the cards are still in your hand, they're just visible to all players (like in sup Revelations). Text on Agaitas says the cards are still considered to be in your hand, to be played or discarded as usual. ...and either way makes no difference anyway, since the only requirement on Rachel is that the cards are 'discarded', doesn't matter where to or from. Flux

You can't ever have an oppenents cards enter your library. Niko "Flux" <fl...@netc.pt> wrote in message news:3D586721...@netc.pt... [ quoted text not captured ] -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----

> You can't ever have an oppenents cards enter your library. So would you then discard their card into their library, shuffle their library, and then draw from their library?

[ quoted text not captured ] No errata needed. [RTR 25-APR-1997] handles this already. The card would be "returned" to its owner's library. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ wrote: > Flux wrote: > >>Different question: >> >>What happens to cards 'stolen' with Agaitas and discarded when you have >>Rachel Brandywine? >> >>Card text suggests the cards are discarded anyway (and so go to your >>prey's ash heap), but OTOH nothing seems to prevent you from retrieving >>those cards from his ash heap into your library, and that just sounds wrong. >> >>I think you need errata to 'cards discarded [to your ash heap]...' > > > No errata needed. [RTR 25-APR-1997] handles this already. > > The card would be "returned" to its owner's library. Ok, I just knew about the ash heap part and didn't check the full ruling. So, can anyone think of a way to use this? :) Flux