Question about timing in the Minion Phase

Going back to a thread that should definitely stay closed: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/c9425a7620c1f1b2 LSJ, you imply that this is legal: I have a Tupdog with a skillcard and a Soul Gem, and Heidelberg Castle. At the end of my minion phase, the Tupdog burns by card text, triggering the Soul Gem's card text, and another Tupdog is revealed. It is legal to tap Heidelberg to take the Tupdog's blood and put it onto another one of my ready vampires. But since it is the "end of the minion phase", the new Tupdog need not hunt before he also explodes. Given that the above is correct, could I use a Rutor's Hand to untap an empty vampire during that "end of minion phase" window when I tapped the Heidelberg, leaving that vampire without having to hunt? If yes, I am confused because I was under the impression that the "Madness Network Fix" was created partly to avoid this situation. If no, why is it different from Heidelberg in the illustrated example? Thank you.

[ quoted text not captured ] REVERSAL: Effects applied "at the end of a minion phase" are applied "after the end of the minion phase" Tupdog, Thirst, and C�sar Holfield.

[ quoted text not captured ] Would my Miguel Cordova then remain stolen until *after* my predator's minion phase is over? How would an untapped-by-my- predator Miguel with four master discipline cards and an Enkil Cog interact? i.e. Is it no longer my predator's minion phase, so I can't utilize my Enkil Cog? Kevin M., Prince of Las Vegas "Know your enemy and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment...Complacency...Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier Please visit VTESville daily! http://vtesville.myminicity.com/ Please buy my cards! http://shop.ebay.com/kjmergen/m.html

Kevin M. wrote: > Would my Miguel Cordova then remain stolen until *after* my > predator's minion phase is over? No. Card text. Like Malkavian Dementia.