[LSJ] Al's Army Apparatus Question?

Seems like the answer is an obvious yes, but there might be a ruling or something somewhere I'm not aware of: There is nothing to prevent you from tapping Al's Army Apparatus (the first name inthe phone book!) over and over again to search your deck and shuffle even if you hav no equipment in your deck, correct? (The Bru and !Bru have joined forces to exploit the power of AAA and Waste Management Operation...) Peter D Bakija PD...@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/bakija6 "She's a hero you see. She's not like us." -Giles

Peter D Bakija wrote: > > Seems like the answer is an obvious yes, but there might be a ruling or > something somewhere I'm not aware of: > > There is nothing to prevent you from tapping Al's Army Apparatus (the first > name inthe phone book!) over and over again to search your deck and shuffle > even if you hav no equipment in your deck, correct? Nothing except the rule against stalling to take advanatge of a time limit in a V:EKN tournament. (This question has come up a lot recently - not sure why) -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>> Seems like the answer is an obvious yes, but there might be a ruling or >> something somewhere I'm not aware of: >> >> There is nothing to prevent you from tapping Al's Army Apparatus (the first >> name inthe phone book!) over and over again to search your deck and shuffle >> even if you hav no equipment in your deck, correct? > >Nothing except the rule against stalling to take advanatge of a time limit in >a V:EKN tournament. > >(This question has come up a lot recently - not sure why) I've asked about it at least once or twice. The main reason I'm so curious about the topic is that for the longest time I've held the impression that you had to actually fetch something. And since you apparently don't, this has the potential to change the way one uses a lot of cards. In addition, since it's such a *new* concept (for me), I'm still a bit unsure about it and sometimes would like some confirmation. I'm not sure exactly why everyone else has been asking about it lately but there are quite a few Final Nights cards that search through one's library (The Summoning, Ur-Shulgi, the Ravnos equipment guy, etc.) so maybe that's a partial reason... Halcyan 2

LSJ wrote: >>Nothing except the rule against stalling to take advanatge of a time limit in a V:EKN tournament.>> That's what I thought. Thanks! >>(This question has come up a lot recently - not sure why)>> Well, in this instance, I was looking for a deck shuffler to go with Waste Management Opperations--I don't want to use equipment, but I do want to shuffle the cards I put back on the bottom of the deck into the deck. AAA is, as far as I can tell, the most effective shuffler in the game (it is a free master card, it works over and over again). [ quoted text not captured ]

Halcyan wrote: >>I've asked about it at least once or twice. The main reason I'm so curious about the topic is that for the longest time I've held the impression that you had to actually fetch something.>> You'd think so, but there really isn't a way to *make* you get something. If you tap AAA to go get some equipment, and you don't happen to have any left in your deck (purely by accident, not by design--say you forgot how much equipment was in there), you can't go back and then unlook at your deck. >>And since you apparently don't, this has the potential to change the way one uses a lot of cards.>> I wouldn't say a lot, but some--there are some cards that say "go through your deck and find X". There is no way to prevent someone from trying this to get an X that isn't there (as the only way to know that X isn't there is to go through the deck and look for it), it is kind of pointless to try and make it illegal. I can't really see it as a problem, however--the situations where getting to shuffle your deck is an advantage are pretty few and far between (using WMO, getting to look at the top few cards of your deck, whatever), and even then, the advantage is questionable (yeah, you get to shuffle the bad cards on the top of your deck somewhere else, but there is nothing saying you are going to get anything better on top...), so in the long run, how can it possibly be bad? [ quoted text not captured ]