[LSJ] Justicar title tied to Camarilla status or Clan ?

If a malkavian antitribu plays derange on a Tremere Justicar, then it becomes sabbat and thus loses his justicar title. But if a malkavian plays derange on the Tremere Justicar, then: a. does he lose his title, because he can't be malkavian and tremere justicar at the same time ? b. does he retain his title as Tremere Justicar ? c. does he become Malkavian justicar ?

Jyhad_addict wrote: > If a malkavian antitribu plays derange on a Tremere Justicar, then it > becomes sabbat and thus loses his justicar title. > But if a malkavian plays derange on the Tremere Justicar, then: > > a. does he lose his title, because he can't be malkavian and tremere > justicar at the same time ? He loses the title, but not for the reason given. Justicar titles are clan-based (the only clan-based title, I believe), so if you change to another clan, you lose the title. Unless the Tremere Justicar gains a new title while Deranged, or someone else becomes Tremere Justicar in the meantime, he will resume the title of Tremere Justicar when/if the Derange is moved, though. --Colin McGuigan

> He loses the title, but not for the reason given. Justicar titles are > clan-based (the only clan-based title, I believe), so if you change to > another clan, you lose the title. > They're ALSO sect-based. You have to be a Camarilla Tremere to be Tremere Justicar.

Colin McGuigan <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote in message news:<n5SdnR5PTrF...@speakeasy.net>... > Jyhad_addict wrote: > > > If a malkavian antitribu plays derange on a Tremere Justicar, then it > > becomes sabbat and thus loses his justicar title. > > But if a malkavian plays derange on the Tremere Justicar, then: > > > > a. does he lose his title, because he can't be malkavian and tremere > > justicar at the same time ? > > He loses the title, but not for the reason given. Justicar titles are > clan-based (the only clan-based title, I believe), so if you change to > another clan, you lose the title. > but htis is what i mean, i thought that justicar title should be clan-based. anyway, thanks.

[ quoted text not captured ] They are. See section 10.1 of the rules: "Only Camarilla vampires can be primogen, princes, justicars or Inner Circle members. Additionally, clan justicar titles can only be held by a vampire of the appropriate clan." -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/