What are acceptable punishments for misbehavior during tournament?

What are acceptable punishments for misbehavior during tournament? What would be acceptable for stalling, cheating or smoking (when law don't prohibit it but organizer asked not to smoke).

[ quoted text not captured ] Well, if/when I'm running a tournament - clear stalling gets a warning, multiple warnings will result in a disqualification - cheating (clear and provable) gets an immediate disqualification. With a more murky case I'd probably go with just a warning, it depends. - smokers would be asked (forcefully) to stop at once, if they don't, well... I'd kick them out. Players have to abide by the rules set by the venue/organizer. I've been blessed with very pleasant and sportsmanlike (or fiendishly clever ;) players over the years though, I think I've only given out one warning or something like that. -Petri

Satrapa <jedrzej.k...@gmail.com> writes: [ quoted text not captured ] How about: http://www.listaholic.com/12-of-the-most-horrifying-torture-devices-in-history.html HG O:-)

On Mar 9, 10:37 am, Petri Wessman <or...@orava.org> wrote: > On Mar 9, 5:25 pm, Satrapa <jedrzej.komorow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What are acceptable punishments for misbehavior during tournament? > > What would be acceptable for stalling, cheating or smoking (when law > > don't prohibit it but organizer asked not to smoke). > > Well, if/when I'm running a tournament > > - clear stalling gets a warning, ... and added time (to remove the effects of the stall). [ quoted text not captured ]

On Mar 9, 5:47 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > On Mar 9, 10:37 am, Petri Wessman <or...@orava.org> wrote: > > - clear stalling gets a warning, > > ... and added time (to remove the effects of the stall). Quite.

[ quoted text not captured ] Replace their deck with a QUI one. Hard to stall when your deck only has one useful action in it.

On Mar 9, 12:21 pm, Obtenebration <obtenebrat...@obtenebration.org> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] ROTFL. This has made my day.

On Mar 9, 7:25 am, Satrapa <jedrzej.komorow...@gmail.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Here are some guidelines that might help you: http://www.white-wolf.com/VTES/index.php?line=veknjudgesguide REMEMBER, these are just guidelines, and the judge should use his or her judgment when making decisions. I encourage you to post case studies of specific examples. Many experienced judges on this forum will reply with their insights, and how they would respond in a given situation. Ira

I asked because discussion about smoking during tournaments on polish forum reminded me that I didn't knew about any system for punishments for various misbehaviors during turnament.

On Mar 9, 10:25 am, Satrapa <jedrzej.komorow...@gmail.com> wrote: > What are acceptable punishments for misbehavior during tournament? Acceptable: -- A "caution"; -- A "warning"; -- A game loss; -- A disqualification. Unacceptable: -- Judge gets to keep your cards -- Forfeiture of First-born Child -- Castration -- Beheading. > What would be acceptable for stalling, cheating [...] Stalling (when intentional) is a type of cheating. All types of cheating generally merit severe penalties, such as game loss, of disqualification. See the link Ira provided. Note that "slow play" is not considered cheating, since it is not judged intentional, and generally merits lesser penalties. > or smoking (when law > don't prohibit it but organizer asked not to smoke). Probably covered under the guidelines for "Unsportsmanlike conduct".

John Whelan <jwjbw...@gmail.com> wrote: >On Mar 9, 10:25�am, Satrapa <jedrzej.komorow...@gmail.com> wrote: >> What are acceptable punishments for misbehavior during tournament? > >Acceptable: >-- A "caution"; >-- A "warning"; >-- A game loss; >-- A disqualification. It's also worth bearing in mind that correction of game state is also possible, which may be perceived by the player as a punishment. The intention is _not_ to punish - merely to correct for things which have gone wrong - but this might include things like losing blood, pool, or other cards/abilities somehow. (Game state correction obviously doesn't apply where the misbehaviour isn't related to the game - such as violating a venue's rules on smoking.) -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

Satrapa asked: > What are acceptable punishments for misbehavior during tournament? > What would be acceptable for stalling, cheating or smoking (when law > don't prohibit it but organizer asked not to smoke). I like to begin every tournament I run by issuing multiple warnings to every player for pretty much everything they do. Then they're much less likely to actually violate the rules, or something. Jesse

[ quoted text not captured ] And that's why you are the worst judge who ever lived. And Scott just called you a bitch while I drew a picture of your mom. You can start issuing warnings on Friday this time. -dc

Dave Clooney wrote: > And that's why you are the worst judge who ever lived. And Scott just > called you a bitch while I drew a picture of your mom. That'll be a warning for both of you. Don't make me get my frozen fish. > You can start issuing warnings on Friday this time. Awesome. I'm sure you'll be disqualified by Saturday morning though, so don't worry about improving your deck. Jesse

James Coupe schrieb: > John Whelan <jwjbw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Mar 9, 10:25 am, Satrapa <jedrzej.komorow...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> What are acceptable punishments for misbehavior during tournament? >> Acceptable: >> -- A "caution"; >> -- A "warning"; >> -- A game loss; >> -- A disqualification. > > It's also worth bearing in mind that correction of game state is also > possible, which may be perceived by the player as a punishment. The > intention is _not_ to punish - merely to correct for things which have > gone wrong - but this might include things like losing blood, pool, or > other cards/abilities somehow. > > (Game state correction obviously doesn't apply where the misbehaviour > isn't related to the game - such as violating a venue's rules on > smoking.) Although the "smoke a cigarette loose 2 pool" rule should be pretty effective.

[ quoted text not captured ] If you're outside the venue smoking during the round, you auto "no block attempt" every action??? That should roughly equal "smoke once, lose 2 pool"