Kyoko Abactor deck

If Kyoko plays Abactor, then does she steal 5 blood from another vampire?

On Jun 6, 1:46 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > If Kyoko plays Abactor, then does she steal 5 blood from another > vampire? Of course not. Abactor is just a different non-standard hunt, just like her special. Putting them together is like having Cybele take a Legal Manipulations action and then trying to apply the bleed from her special bleed action. It doesn't work because they're two different actions. Brent Ross

On 6 kesä, 08:46, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > If Kyoko plays Abactor, then does she steal 5 blood from another > vampire? Kyoko Shinsegawa. Clan: Tremere Group: 3 Capacity: 5 aus cel dom for Camarilla: Kyoko cannot hunt as normal. She may hunt by stealing a blood from another ready vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action. Does it say "Kyoko may hunt by playing Abactor" ?

Oko wrote: > Kyoko Shinsegawa. > Clan: Tremere > Group: 3 > Capacity: 5 > aus cel dom for > Camarilla: Kyoko cannot hunt as normal. She may hunt by stealing a > blood from another ready vampire as a +1 stealth (D) action. > > Does it say "Kyoko may hunt by playing Abactor" ? No it doesn't, but neither does any other vampire in the game have that text. Her text also does not explicitly state that she can bleed with Govern the Unaligned, but she most certainly can. I don't understand what you're implying. Jesse

[ quoted text not captured ] He's implying that Kyoko's text gives her the ability to take a specific action. Just like Govern gives her the ability to take a (different) specific action. See also Rafaele Giovanni's text (another action): Rafaele cannot use Govern + his special to bleed his predator for 3 (well, 4 with his other special, but you get the idea). They're two different actions. Similarly, Abactor provides yet another action. Kyoko cannot take both the Abactor action and her special ability action in one action. Having two available bleed actions is not the same as having two enhancements that can be applied to any bleed action.

LSJ wrote: > He's implying that Kyoko's text gives her the ability to take a specific action. > Just like Govern gives her the ability to take a (different) specific action. Well, perhaps I read incorrectly, but he also seemed to be implying that she can't play Abactor at all, which is not the case. Jesse

jcrossn...@gmail.com schrieb: [ quoted text not captured ] I cannot see he is implying that. He just says Kyoko�s test does not have any reference to Abactor, which is true. He leaves it to the imagination of the reader what consequences that has ;-)

On Jun 6, 12:46 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > If Kyoko plays Abactor, then does she steal 5 blood from another > vampire? LSJ? You are being cryptic...

[ quoted text not captured ] Naw, not me. Cryptic is calling someone cryptic in a reply to yourself which contains no dialog from that supposedly-cryptic someone nor from anyone else other than yourself. What I have been being in this thread is "explict and verbose": LSJ wrote: > [... verbosity snipped...] Kyoko cannot take both the > Abactor action and her special ability action in one action. [...]

XZealot asked his question again: > > If Kyoko plays Abactor, then does she steal 5 blood from another > > vampire? > > LSJ? You are being cryptic... Not all rules questions require a ruling from LSJ, and he seems not to like giving explicit rulings when he feels they are unnecessary. The correct answer to your question has already been given in this thread, and was backed up by comments from LSJ. Jesse

[ quoted text not captured ] That's his mission... *rimshot* best - chris