A couple of questions about Immortal Grapple

Immortal Grapple states "Only hand strikes may be used in this combat". Does this mean this round of combat only or the entire combat ? Also, are Thaumaturgy strikes considered to be hand strikes, or are they considered to be magical strikes and therefore unusable when Immortal Grapple is played ? Mark.

In article <387e6...@news2.vip.uk.com>, mark.towers <mark....@breathemail.net> writes >Immortal Grapple states "Only hand strikes may be used in this combat". Does >this mean this round of combat only or the entire combat ? > By current rulings (check the errata etc.) this round only. >Also, are Thaumaturgy strikes considered to be hand strikes, or are they >considered to be magical strikes and therefore unusable when Immortal >Grapple is played ? They are not hand strikes. Anything which isn't based on hand damage isn't a hand strike. Melee weapons, despite being based on hand damage, are also not hand strikes. So Scorpion Sting is a hand strike, Undead Strength is a hand strike, but Theft of Vitae is not, nor is Body of Sun or Meat Cleaver. -- James Coupe (Prince of Mercia, England) Vampire: Elder Kindred Network http://madnessnetwork.hexagon.net http://www.obeah.demon.co.uk

James Coupe wrote: > mark.towers <mark....@breathemail.net> writes > >Immortal Grapple states "Only hand strikes may be used in this combat". Does > >this mean this round of combat only or the entire combat ? > > > > By current rulings (check the errata etc.) this round only. > > >Also, are Thaumaturgy strikes considered to be hand strikes, or are they > >considered to be magical strikes and therefore unusable when Immortal > >Grapple is played ? > > They are not hand strikes. > > Anything which isn't based on hand damage isn't a hand strike. Melee > weapons, despite being based on hand damage, are also not hand strikes. > So Scorpion Sting is a hand strike, Undead Strength is a hand strike, > but Theft of Vitae is not, nor is Body of Sun or Meat Cleaver. Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@wizards.com) V:TES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.wizards.com/VTES/rules.asp

In article <387F1AE4...@wizards.com>, LSJ <vte...@wizards.com> writes >> Anything which isn't based on hand damage isn't a hand strike. Melee >> weapons, despite being based on hand damage, are also not hand strikes. >> So Scorpion Sting is a hand strike, Undead Strength is a hand strike, >> but Theft of Vitae is not, nor is Body of Sun or Meat Cleaver. > >Correct. For completeness, I would add: Undead Strength is a hand strike, when used with only hand damage - not when used with a melee weapon. [ quoted text not captured ]