[Question] Out-of-Turn

Tono wrote: > > Can you play two Out-of-Turns in the same turn??? No. By playing an Out-of-Turn master, you are using your next turn's master phase early, which is why you don't get to play a master in that next turn. But, since you have used it up, you can't play another Out-of-Turn until after your next turn. James -- * James Hamblin * * Cornell University * * je...@cornell.edu *

Can you play two Out-of-Turns in the same turn??? -- Anthony Michael Amber Internet: aamb...@scu.edu.au Southern Cross University Lismore NSW Australia

> > Can you play two Out-of-Turns in the same turn??? > No. By playing an Out-of-Turn master, you are using your next turn's > master phase early, which is why you don't get to play a master in that > next turn. But, since you have used it up, you can't play another And to answer a question in advance, no, the Parthenon doesn't help either, as it can only be tapped for an additional master phase action during your master phase. Mr. Pynk --- http://www.wulaw.wustl.edu/~tvbarnha/mr_pynk/

Chris Barnhart [Mr. Pynk] wrote: > > > > Can you play two Out-of-Turns in the same turn??? > > No. By playing an Out-of-Turn master, you are using your next turn's > > master phase early, which is why you don't get to play a master in that > > next turn. But, since you have used it up, you can't play another I suppose the next obvious question would be: What about Anson? Wouldn't you be able to play two Out-Of-Turn Masters if Anson's your man? [ quoted text not captured ]

>No. By playing an Out-of-Turn master, you are using your next turn's >master phase early, which is why you don't get to play a master in that >next turn. But, since you have used it up, you can't play another >Out-of-Turn until after your next turn. Excuse me? I do not recall reading anything like this in the rules. Could you tell me where I can read it to verify? Sorrow

> I suppose the next obvious question would be: What about Anson? > Wouldn't you be able to play two Out-Of-Turn Masters if Anson's your > man? Yup. Same with Rumors of Gehenna. (Psst. Ya know, Gehenna's commin'!) [ quoted text not captured ]

> Excuse me? I do not recall reading anything like this in the rules. > Could you tell me where I can read it to verify? V:tES rulebook, page 10: Out-of-Turn: Out-of-turn cards can only be played when it is not your turn. If you play this type of card, you lose your master phase action during the master phase of your next turn. Once you've played an out-of-turn master card, you can't play another one until after your next turn. That's the literal rules. It seems to me that Anson/Rumors would let you play another OOT before your next turn, but I may be wrong. Shawn? [ quoted text not captured ]

Tono <aamb...@scu.edu.au> wrote in article <4vr23t$8...@axis.scu.edu.au>... > Can you play two Out-of-Turns in the same turn??? > -- > Anthony Michael Amber Internet: aamb...@scu.edu.au > Southern Cross University > Lismore NSW Australia > No because you are allowed only one master per turn. Playing a master Out of Turn is like anticipate your next master phase. If you have Anson or whatever card that allows you to play more than one master in a turn so you can play as many Out of Turn as the number of master you can play. You can also mix Out of Turn and Master : playing one Sudden and, your next turn, one master. -- Michel BRIAND Toulouse, FRANCE media...@calva.net

"Chris Barnhart [Mr. Pynk]" <tvba...@server.wulaw.wustl.edu> writes: >> I suppose the next obvious question would be: What about Anson? >> Wouldn't you be able to play two Out-Of-Turn Masters if Anson's your >> man? >Yup. Same with Rumors of Gehenna. (Psst. Ya know, Gehenna's commin'!) No to both. This is explictly stated in the VtES rulebook. 3.2.1 Master Cards "Once you've played an out-of-turn master card, you can't play another one until after your next turn." -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Bad Track 0. http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | Why can't you be more Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | like Track 1?

James Hamblin wrote: > V:tES rulebook, page 10: > > Out-of-Turn: Out-of-turn cards can only be played when it is not your > turn. If you play this type of card, you lose your master phase action > during the master phase of your next turn. Once you've played an > out-of-turn master card, you can't play another one until after your > next turn. > > That's the literal rules. It seems to me that Anson/Rumors would let > you play another OOT before your next turn, but I may be wrong. Shawn? Yer right. Anson/Rumors provides an extra action during the master phase, so you would get *one* during the master phase. Important note: remember that, according to the rules, you can only play one OOT until after your next turn. -- --Shawn F. Carnes Game Designer and Developer, Wizards of the Coast, Inc WotC NetRep for rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad ************************************************************* "We cannot rest, knowing that The Captain and Tennille are in good health!" --Milk and Cheese

Shawn F. Carnes (sw...@castle.wizards.com) wrote: : James Hamblin wrote: : > out-of-turn master card, you can't play another one until after your : > next turn. : > : > That's the literal rules. It seems to me that Anson/Rumors would let : > you play another OOT before your next turn, but I may be wrong. Shawn? : : Yer right. Anson/Rumors provides an extra action during the master : phase, so you would get *one* during the master phase. Hmm. This is a direct contradiction of a Wylie (which I thought went up to the rules team) which says that using an OOT burns your entire Master Phase, and that no Master Phase actions at all (chantry, etc) work thereafter. : Important note: remember that, according to the rules, you can only play : one OOT until after your next turn. And that's why. NOt that I object to the ruling changing, but these two elements are directly contradictory. Joe -- Joe Helfrich, Managing Editor, CPI | Certainly the games is rigged. Don't j...@dimensional.com | let that stop you; if you don't bet, http://www.dimensional.com/~jbh | you can't win. --Lazarus Long *** Dum vivimus, vivamus! (While we live, let us _live_!) ***

j...@dimensional.com (Joe Helfrich) writes: >Shawn F. Carnes (sw...@castle.wizards.com) wrote: >: James Hamblin wrote: >: > out-of-turn master card, you can't play another one until after your >: > next turn. >: > >: > That's the literal rules. It seems to me that Anson/Rumors would let >: > you play another OOT before your next turn, but I may be wrong. Shawn? >: >: Yer right. Anson/Rumors provides an extra action during the master >: phase, so you would get *one* during the master phase. >Hmm. This is a direct contradiction of a Wylie (which I thought went up >to the rules team) which says that using an OOT burns your entire Master >Phase, and that no Master Phase actions at all (chantry, etc) work >thereafter. Mr. Wylie was giving the (then current) Jyhad ruling. With VtES, WotC introduced the "master phase action" and changed the rule on MOoT cards so that playing a MOoT would only burn your next MastertPhaseAction (MPA), not the entire phase. Mr. Wylie pointed out the change when it occurred. >: Important note: remember that, according to the rules, you can only play >: one OOT until after your next turn. >And that's why. NOt that I object to the ruling changing, but these two >elements are directly contradictory. The new rules also explicitly deny the possibility of playing more than one MOoT between your turns (as an obstacle to using the new MPA rules to implement some degenerate MOoT combo). [ quoted text not captured ]

Joe Helfrich wrote: > : Yer right. Anson/Rumors provides an extra action during the master > : phase, so you would get *one* during the master phase. > > Hmm. This is a direct contradiction of a Wylie (which I thought went up > to the rules team) which says that using an OOT burns your entire Master > Phase, and that no Master Phase actions at all (chantry, etc) work > thereafter. I checked with Tom, and after some discussion: IT'S A REVERSAL! The official ruling is now that you get the Anson master action if you use Sudden Reversal before your master phase. To me it doesn't make any sense that you lose the master phase because you play one master card. One master card equals the expenditure of one master action. -- >>> Shawn F. Carnes Game Designer and Developer, Wizards of the Coast, Inc WotC NetRep for rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad ************************************************************* "Which one of you claims to be the craziest? Which one the biggest loony? Who runs these card games? Who's the bull goose loony here?" --McMurphy, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"

L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu) wrote: : j...@dimensional.com (Joe Helfrich) writes: : >Hmm. This is a direct contradiction of a Wylie (which I thought went up : >to the rules team) which says that using an OOT burns your entire Master : >Phase, and that no Master Phase actions at all (chantry, etc) work : >thereafter. : : Mr. Wylie was giving the (then current) Jyhad ruling. With VtES, WotC : introduced the "master phase action" and changed the rule on MOoT cards : so that playing a MOoT would only burn your next MastertPhaseAction (MPA), : not the entire phase. *sigh* One of these days I'm going to have to break down and read that V:Tes rulebook.... [ quoted text not captured ]