"alamaise" <alam...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Does the "Government" term on Port Authority have any special meaning,
> except for just naming event cards differently?
"Government" and "Gehenna" are just attributes, like "gun" or "ghoul".
Attributes like these allow cards to refer to groups of other cards easily
and clearly, but they have no special meaning on their own.
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"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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I believe that one consequence of the Government event type is that there is
no way to remove this event from play (other than ousting the controlling
Meth, of course) or to prevent it from being played, since all the
anti-event tech is directly only against Gehenna cards.
True? Or am I missing something?
- Pat
Pat wrote:
> I believe that one consequence of the Government event type is that there is
> no way to remove this event from play (other than ousting the controlling
> Meth, of course) or to prevent it from being played, since all the
> anti-event tech is directly only against Gehenna cards.
>
> True? Or am I missing something?
Perhaps other cards.
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I have a fundamental problem with the events. Its in the sense of the
events. What is the difference (apart from being played in the discard
phase) from events to master cards?
Both are played by a methuselah and often manipulate the whole
environment.
The new "government" type makes the missing difference very obviously.
Why is "Police Department" a master card and no government card (apart
that there was no events at that moment)?
If events would be real events, they had to reflect fundamental
changes that happen to the world (of that game) as a whole. But thats
not the case, because events are burned when the methuselah who played
them is ousted. Why should the Withering stop, when a methuselah dies?
I am not talking about games mechanics, i am talking about the logic
behind the game mechanic. What does the event reflect, that is not
reflected by master cards.
Talking about Port Authority:
Is the official release date for this card the same as for Barabaro
Lucchese, i.e. 15.10.2004 (first release of the Storyline kits), so
that the card will be tournament legal on 14.11.2004 (read: before the
EC?)?
Regards,
Hardy Range
Prince of Bochum, Germany
http://www.vekn.de
I think it was Decebalus <x5m...@gmx.de>, who once wrote:
> I have a fundamental problem with the events. Its in the sense of the
> events. What is the difference (apart from being played in the discard
> phase) from events to master cards? Both are played by a methuselah and
> often manipulate the whole environment.
But events do so more directly, and without discrimination. You could
say that (permanent) masters are assets that a methuselah may create or
gain control over, while events can only be set into motion, after which
the methuselah can only hope that his strategic planning will keep him
relatively unhindered by the effects of the unfolding event.
> The new "government" type makes the missing difference very obviously.
> Why is "Police Department" a master card and no government card (apart
> that there was no events at that moment)?
Because Police Department is not a general effect, but something the
methuselah has direct control over. He bribed or blackmailed or whatever
and can call upon the police for aid exactly when he wants to, if he
wants to.
However, I think there are some masters that would make more sense as
events these days. Anarch Revolt for instance.
> If events would be real events, they had to reflect fundamental
> changes that happen to the world (of that game) as a whole. But thats
> not the case, because events are burned when the methuselah who played
> them is ousted. Why should the Withering stop, when a methuselah dies?
You have a point here. It would make more sense for events to stay in
the game. However, I suspect that would have been too unbalancing.
There's already a lot of complaints about event decks that ruin the
game for the rest of the table, randomizing the outcome, and not
getting any VP's. Imagine that after ousting, the ten or so events
remained. Could even be something that was changed during play testing.
Anyway, I like events. When I was still into That Other Game, I liked
to build decks around global enchantments, to mess with the opponent's
game. When I switched to Vampire, I missed this style of deck building.
Now at last Vampire has a similar card type. Though I must admit my
attempts at a good event deck have not been successful as of yet. Ah,
well, we'll see what the future brings.
Rogar
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
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> Pat wrote:
> > I believe that one consequence of the Government event type is that
there is
> > no way to remove this event from play (other than ousting the
controlling
> > Meth, of course) or to prevent it from being played, since all the
> > anti-event tech is directly only against Gehenna cards.
> >
> > True? Or am I missing something?
>
> Perhaps other cards.
Such as...?
The currently existing cards that can cancel or burn Event cards can
only affect Gehenna cards, by their own text. (Black Hand Ritual,
Emergency Preparations, advanced Jan Pieterzoon.)
Perhaps you're thinking of future cards that might affect non-Gehenna
Event cards? :-)
Josh
government non-event
"Joshua Duffin" <duff...@bls.gov> wrote in message
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>
> "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message
> news:I_dld.893501$Gx4.6...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Pat wrote:
> > > I believe that one consequence of the Government event type is that
> there is
> > > no way to remove this event from play (other than ousting the
> controlling
> > > Meth, of course) or to prevent it from being played, since all the
> > > anti-event tech is directly only against Gehenna cards.
> > >
> > > True? Or am I missing something?
> >
> > Perhaps other cards.
>
> Such as...?
I Haven't Been Printed Yet
Master
Remove a Government card from play.
or
Neither Have I
Action
Burn all events you control.
or
Me, Too
Event
Burn all other events in play. No more events can be played.
> The currently existing cards that can cancel or burn Event cards can
> only affect Gehenna cards, by their own text. (Black Hand Ritual,
> Emergency Preparations, advanced Jan Pieterzoon.)
>
> Perhaps you're thinking of future cards that might affect non-Gehenna
> Event cards? :-)
?
Um, yeah. Perhaps indeed.
In message <30epa0F...@uni-berlin.de>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
writes:
>Me, Too
>Event
>Burn all other events in play. No more events can be played.
Gasp. So very broken.
I hope the Design Team are getting no chocolate after dinner for this
very obvious faux pas.
(Uryyb Qrfvta Grnz! Qb lbh jnag pubpbyngr? Gura fraq zr pbcvrf bs "Zr,
Gbb" naq V jvyy fraq pubpbyngr ol erghea bs cbfg.)
--
James Coupe
PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Who's ever heard of that, though!
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 Designing a deck that just calls votes.
13D7E668C3695D623D5D That's crazy talk, there.
"James Coupe" <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:ijWbWCVD...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk...
> In message <30epa0F...@uni-berlin.de>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com>
> writes:>>Me, Too
>>Event
>>Burn all other events in play. No more events can be played.>
> Gasp. So very broken.
>
> I hope the Design Team are getting no chocolate after dinner for this
> very obvious faux pas.
>
>
> (Uryyb Qrfvta Grnz! Qb lbh jnag pubpbyngr? Gura fraq zr pbcvrf bs "Zr,
> Gbb" naq V jvyy fraq pubpbyngr ol erghea bs cbfg.)
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