Hello,
I was a bit puzzled when I read Ankou's cardtext today.
Suppose A controls 2 minions with a mandatory hunt (A1 and A2), and
it's A's turn. B has an untapped and ready Ankou.
A starts his minion phase, and decides to perform A1's hunt.
As far as I know, Ankou cannot burn A1 right there, because that would
have A give the impulse, which he cannot do because he has a pending
mandatory action (hunt) with A2.
So, A2 hunts.
Can the Ankou burn A1 after A2 has hunted ?
I think he can't, because it would be too late. I think - but I'm not
entirely sure - that "When", in V:tES language, has some proximity
meaning I'd transcribe as "immediately after" in this particular case.
The Ankou
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Malkavian
Group: 5
Capacity: 10
Discipline: AUS DEM OBF
Camarilla: When any vampire successfully hunts while the Ankou is
ready and untapped, the Ankou may burn that vampire as a (D) action
that turn (even on another Methuselah's turn).
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"When" in this case is only to signify that the Ankou can take his
special action in the event that there is a target who has hunted at
least once during the current turn. As it states "that turn" the
actioncan be taken to burn either A1 or A2 at any point during the
turn in which they hunted.
As to the hunting in between mandatory actions bit, I am not too
sure.....
On May 5, 10:35 am, floppyzedolfin <floppyzedol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I was a bit puzzled when I read Ankou's cardtext today.
>
> Suppose A controls 2 minions with a mandatory hunt (A1 and A2), and
> it's A's turn. B has an untapped and ready Ankou.
> A starts his minion phase, and decides to perform A1's hunt.
> As far as I know, Ankou cannot burn A1 right there, because that would
> have A give the impulse, which he cannot do because he has a pending
> mandatory action (hunt) with A2.
> So, A2 hunts.
>
> Can the Ankou burn A1 after A2 has hunted ?
> I think he can't, because it would be too late. I think - but I'm not
> entirely sure - that "When", in V:tES language, has some proximity
> meaning I'd transcribe as "immediately after" in this particular case.
It's not too late. See below:
> The Ankou
> Cardtype: Vampire
> Clan: Malkavian
> Group: 5
> Capacity: 10
> Discipline: AUS DEM OBF
> Camarilla: When any vampire successfully hunts while the Ankou is
> ready and untapped, the Ankou may burn that vampire as a (D) action
> that turn (even on another Methuselah's turn).
"When X happens, The Ankou may do Y that turn."
It doesn't say "The ankou must immediately do this" or "before the
next action"; the Ankou's power grants him the ability to take that
action (during) that turn.
And the usual sequencing applies for taking actions, so the Ankou
cannot take that action until priority-to-act has been passed to him,
which doesn't happen until the acting player has taken as many actions
as he pleases.
In fact, in the case you describe above, the Ankou would be able to
burn either of A1 and A2 (both if he has a way to untap) once priority
is passed to him.
-John Flournoy
On May 5, 12:36 pm, John Flournoy <carne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In fact, in the case you describe above, the Ankou would be able to
> burn either of A1 and A2 (both if he has a way to untap) once priority
> is passed to him.
Hmm... can he? Or is it a case where NRA applies because it would be
two actions provided by the same card in play, and thus not allowed?
(See also the fact that Marrakesh Codex's two actions can't be taken
in the same turn by the same vampire, even though they're different
actions.) LSJ?
- D.J.
On May 5, 1:07 pm, "D.J." <dj...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On May 5, 12:36 pm, John Flournoy <carne...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In fact, in the case you describe above, the Ankou would be able to
> > burn either of A1 and A2 (both if he has a way to untap) once priority
> > is passed to him.
>
> Hmm... can he?
That is, can he do *both* or does NRA prevent that? Obviously he can
do either.
- D.J.
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Can Ankou do it during the Influence or Discard phases?
(acting meth may hold back an action to act following Ankou's action
(since impulse returns to acting meth); but now Ankou can decline during
minion phase and take special action during Infl or Discard phase)
best -
chris
On May 5, 2:42 pm, librarian <aucti...@superfuncards.com> wrote:
> > And the usual sequencing applies for taking actions, so the Ankou
> > cannot take that action until priority-to-act has been passed to him,
> > which doesn't happen until the acting player has taken as many actions
> > as he pleases.
>
> Can Ankou do it during the Influence or Discard phases?
>
> (acting meth may hold back an action to act following Ankou's action
> (since impulse returns to acting meth); but now Ankou can decline during
> minion phase and take special action during Infl or Discard phase)
No. Minions may only act during the minion phase of a turn. Effects
and cards that grant non-default action options to minions do not
exempt them from this rule.
> best -
>
> chris
-John Flournoy